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under federal law to notify the legislative branch that, fact, they are going to come up against the deadline, precisely why it is -- >> uses the phrase default. we are not going -- the u.s. government isn't going pay its debts. we are going to be like greece. that was -- everybody -- both sides, by the way, republicans and democrats, both used the phrase default. you know perfectly well how it works in the government. you can make choices. >> i hate to break the news to you but -- i don't think anyone other than watching cnbc anyone actually cares and nobody believes the federal government will not pay social security or other debts. >> are you kidding me? i think they do. that's what they start with. right? start with the social security checks aren't going to go out. then -- what do people do, call their congressmen? the elderly get frightened. they think they won't have their weekly paychecks. >> this would not be the first time anyone from the executive branch tried to scare senior sit sense what do we do? we are going over the cliff. do you think we are going over cliff? >>
. >>> pass new gun laws or set up more armed protections at our schools and public places? that seems to be one of the big debates in america this evening. let's bring back our panel, and we welcome nan hayworth. let's start with the nra they want armed guards in the schools. what's your take? >> well, larry, this is -- we are still reeling from a hideous event. so there are going to be a lot of ideas that from every segment of our society that people are going to have. i think your point is very well taken about the value of faith. whatever someone's faith may be, and family-based faith, as well. because if we can as a culture be mindful that there are -- there are people and there are interests and there's a society outside our own heads. i think the video games play into that because people have become young people and these are young men who do these. they're deeply disturbed, but there is a cultural milieu that contributes, i think, to that sense that somehow they feel they can go out and be destructive, by whatever means. and as we know -- >> katie, a cultural milieu, an interes
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